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Lachlan wrote:
Razia wrote:She probably would have learned something very important, just wouldnt live long enough to exercise that newfound knowledge.
Yes, and a parent's job is to allow kids to make mistakes and learn from them while preventing them from making the fatal ones. Example: learning to "swim" in the backyard pool. No matter what age, a parent is always a parent and will always (with a few exceptions) feel it necessary to try to protect their offspring from making fatal mistakes. Even though I'm 35 years old my mom always makes me call her when I leave on a long drive and again when I get when where I'm going.
She doesn't make you, you just learned to respect your parents and understand the things that make them worry. That is what this girl apparently lacked (as did the "dad"), respect for her parents. Though, maybe that was the dad's way of coping with not screaming at her too...I could give him that benefit of the doubt.

There is a huge difference between obeying your parents and respecting their wishes and concern. At 18, she should have by then realized their concern, but really..at 18, we do get caught up in that moment. We like to have fun, unfortunately much of that fun can come with dire consequences. Yes, she was lucky that nothing bad happened, that this internet boy wasn't an officer trying to catch unlawful people, or worse, the unlawful people themselves. No, not EVERY person on the internet is a 'bad apple', but every person needs to use a bit of caution.

That being said, the parents have had 18 years to instill respect into their daughter, and hopefully that good kind of caution. When I was 18, my mother knew everything. It got to the point that I wouldn't say anything until I was walking out the door and I would say, "oh yeah, I'm heading to see this movie, it starts at this time and I should be around by this time, but my friends have a cell phone, so I'll call if something comes up, bye!" She didn't care because I would call, and I usually came home when I said I would. I respected the fact that even though she knew I was going to be home around midnight because of a late showing of a movie, and could rest easy knowing I stayed out of trouble with my friends, I knew that she wouldn't be able to fully sleep until I was in the house. Its a parental thing...my grandmother is the same way. I understand and respect it. Even though I am not yet a parent myself, I still understand that same concern. I'm sure when I finally have children, I won't be able to fully sleep until I know they are at least under my roof (where hopefully they will be safe).

We can't protect them from everything. They do need to learn from their own experiences. We understand how bad drunken driving can be. We see the crashes, we see the effect it has had on people physically and emotionally, but we don't really *get* it until it happens to someone within our immediate (or someone that feels like immediate) family or ourselves. It just doesn't completely sink in. Humans naturally like to believe that they are the exception, that nothing that bad will happen to them. We are egoistic and stupid (difference from brave).

Yes, the girl had an experience. It didn't go bad...hopefully with the reaction from her parents after the video was turned off and they are able to sit down and talk without jokes from "dad", she would be able to understand the concern her parents have for her and her well-being....hopefully.

If she were my daughter, if she wants to say she's an adult, she could then take adult responsibilities: paying for a third of the bills (assuming its just 3 in the household), paying for her car, her gas (unless she's running an errand for me), her internet bill (or a third of that since it would prolly be under a bundle plan and I would use the internet too), her phone bill, etc. Everything SHE uses, SHE will have to pay for or help pay for. My mother gave me this deal when I finished high school, and she would be held accountable for the same: either you go to college, military, or get a job and help out with bills.
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Solid Rock wrote:Yes age is just a number, and the number 18 is the age at which your kid shouldve been taught everything it needs to watch out for itself. Half a century ago kids were expected to be grown up as early as age 15 and people did pretty well, contrary to popular belief the world is actually safer today than it was back then parents just seem to be more overprotective. Really if you don't take off the training wheels hows the kid ever supposed to learn?
I disagree. All kids are different - some mature faster and some mature slower. It is up to the parents to decide what responsiblity and decisions their kid can make on their own and when. As I said, legally she's 18 and can move out at any time. That's when she gets to make 100% of her own decisions. If she's living in my house and I'm providing the majority of her support (food, electricity, car, gas, etc), she will follow my rules whether she's 18 or 80.
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DAGGERZ wrote:may be, but don't we all meet up "summit" for all we know someone or a few could be in a cult and kill us all.

you can be cautious and protect them, but they can be hit by a bus crossing the road.
i know of 4 kids in swindon all under the age of 13, they was killed whilst sat on a park bench, car lost control and rolled into them, it can happen anywhere,
as solid said by the age of 18, they should know the dangers of most things in life, including internet perverts called daggerz.........i mean pantho
i dont think the idea that one person being in a cult would mean they would kill us. There is a large difference between a single person meeting a single person and a group get together. Either way since i live under my parents house since im a college kid they will know where im going that week end. Hell they knew where i was going when i meet FN, alamais, zhut, and a bunch of other people in rochester (despite shocking FN with info otherwise lol)

also there is a large difference between 4 kids on a bench being run over and a 18 year old going to a strangers house. one is voluntary the other is an accident.

also solid im not sure if the world is safer in all ways. consider they didnt have date rape drugs back then.
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my point is satran that no matter how much we try to protect them, things do happen example, you can get run over walking on the pavement.

im not so sure the world is safer now either. stabbings in london are a plenty, society has gone down the toilet, i read a report that states that the uk government will be paying out more in benefits than it will recieve in tax by 2010. it also states that most of these people claiming are non britsh nationals from other countries, white english have 14% of its population claiming, the rest is somalians etc with very few looking for work, thanks to hand out britain.

you may ask what the link is with crime, it also states that most of these people coming in, are turning to crime to boost their incomes or most are sex offenders "especially from somalia" and criminals who have realised that this shit country i live in will give them hand outs.
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satransisuu wrote:also solid im not sure if the world is safer in all ways. consider they didnt have date rape drugs back then.
They did, it just wasn't as widely used as the perps of the day were less finicky about just jumping a woman and holding her down. Yes the world is still dangerous but not nearly as much so as it was 60-80 years ago, the police has become better at preventing crimes like this and security cameras have become much more common where young people gather.

And as Daggz has been trying to say, yes there's a risk that she could get raped visiting a guy she met online but its no greater than the risk she gets run over crossing the street. A very very low minority of people online are sexual predators, the vast majority of people online are perfectly normal.
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Solid Rock wrote:A very very low minority of people online are sexual predators, the vast majority of people online are perfectly normal.
Sounds like you've used that line before. :lol:
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Lachlan wrote:
Solid Rock wrote:A very very low minority of people online are sexual predators, the vast majority of people online are perfectly normal.
Sounds like you've used that line before. :lol:
Just about everytime anyone freaks out about their kids socialising online. My own parents have never really been worryed about it. In fact, the first time I had a friend I met online come to visit they got more excited about it than I did.
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Solid Rock wrote:
Lachlan wrote:
Solid Rock wrote:A very very low minority of people online are sexual predators, the vast majority of people online are perfectly normal.
Sounds like you've used that line before. :lol:
Just about everytime anyone freaks out about their kids socialising online. My own parents have never really been worryed about it. In fact, the first time I had a friend I met online come to visit they got more excited about it than I did.
They where just finally happy you had a friend ;)
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Lachlan wrote:
Solid Rock wrote:A very very low minority of people online are sexual predators, the vast majority of people online are perfectly normal.
Sounds like you've used that line before. :lol:
I must say that I agree with Solid's statement here. To be quite accurate, the recorded incidents of rape are most commonly acquaintance rape...raped by people whom we have socialized with and know fairly well (in person)...thats how it happened to me. And the people that molested me, I knew as well. Thats part of the reason that I will be more than sure to know who my children's friends are (and my friends as well, since for me it was a friend of my dad's friend who molested me, and a frat brother of my bf that raped me).

My mother couldn't protect me while I was at college. I know how she must have felt about herself when she found out about the rape. I can only imagine the things that went through her head when I told her. And I hate to say it, but part of it was me having a lapse in judgement. Drinking and smoking pot was not a good combination for me, and I should have known better than to do it. But that was something that although my mother worked her ass off to protect me from, she just couldn't. The only thing she could do was be there for me in the time afterwards. It was one of the most painful times I (accidently) put her through. I don't necessarily blame myself for the rape, but I do blame myself for the lapse in judgement in drinking and smoking. That was something that my mother taught me, and at that point in time, I forgot...or rather ignored, caught up in the moment.

I can say that I learned from my experiences and am glad I'm still alive through them, but I can't say that necessarily means that I wouldn't have similar experiences. We all make stupid mistakes...many times over. Thankfully, I am in a very committed relationship and something like above should never happen again.
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daggerz while its true you cant protect someone from everything im saying that in a "meeting someone online" situation there are steps that can be taken to help minimize the risk involved.

solid i would like to see where you pulled that fact from.

and saelie i am sorry to hear that a situation like this has happened to you.
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satransisuu wrote:
and saelie i am sorry to hear that a situation like this has happened to you.
no worries, mate. I'm safe now, and thats what really matters :)
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satransisuu wrote:daggerz while its true you cant protect someone from everything im saying that in a "meeting someone online" situation there are steps that can be taken to help minimize the risk involved.

solid i would like to see where you pulled that fact from.

and saelie i am sorry to hear that a situation like this has happened to you.
Do need to have pulled it from anywhere? Its common sense aint it, if you consider out of the entire population how many people would do this kind of thing you looking at maybe 5-10% at best, cut out the ones who are rapists of opportunity and you are left with perhaps 2-3% who are predators. Even if you asumme that every single one of them would be active on the web they are still outweighed by the incredible amount of average joe's. Frankly your chance of getting stabed coming home from the pub are greater than your 18 year old daughter getting raped by a guy she met on myspace.

Yes the internet are is full of perverts, I'm one of them. But its quite a leap from pervert to rapist and its even a great leap from rapist to predator. You've gotta be incredibly callous and sick to actively seek out rape victims and most people would seek out a prostitute way before they reached that point. Most rapes are committed in the heat of the moment, perhaps by a friend who could not take no for an answer.
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its not common sense though, your saying that there was more rape in the past and you have no supporting evidence.

here are some statistics of rape in the
1970-1998
http://www.allcountries.org/uscensus/33 ... _rate.html

top link shows the decades of 1980 1990, 1995, then 2000-2005

http://search.census.gov/search?q=rape& ... ite=census


there are some years where they go up and down but with these stats it shows a general increase. I tried to find some of stuff from "the old days" but couldnt find anything.

also i dont think its common knowledge that people back then used date rape drugs again if you claim something like that you need to have something to back it up.


edit: also it comes to mind that we are probubly not talking about the same place. I am talking about north america and USA more specifically.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics
this shows that there is a significant diffrence between the countries
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satransisuu wrote:its not common sense though, your saying that there was more rape in the past and you have no supporting evidence.

here are some statistics of rape in the
1970-1998
http://www.allcountries.org/uscensus/33 ... _rate.html

top link shows the decades of 1980 1990, 1995, then 2000-2005

http://search.census.gov/search?q=rape& ... ite=census


there are some years where they go up and down but with these stats it shows a general increase. I tried to find some of stuff from "the old days" but couldnt find anything.

also i dont think its common knowledge that people back then used date rape drugs again if you claim something like that you need to have something to back it up.


edit: also it comes to mind that we are probubly not talking about the same place. I am talking about north america and USA more specifically.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics
this shows that there is a significant diffrence between the countries
there's actually a severly large varience in the amount of people who would keep secret back then, who wouldn't now -

But, I agree... Sape has not declined etc
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satransisuu wrote:its not common sense though, your saying that there was more rape in the past and you have no supporting evidence.

here are some statistics of rape in the
1970-1998
http://www.allcountries.org/uscensus/33 ... _rate.html

top link shows the decades of 1980 1990, 1995, then 2000-2005

http://search.census.gov/search?q=rape& ... ite=census


there are some years where they go up and down but with these stats it shows a general increase. I tried to find some of stuff from "the old days" but couldnt find anything.

also i dont think its common knowledge that people back then used date rape drugs again if you claim something like that you need to have something to back it up.


edit: also it comes to mind that we are probubly not talking about the same place. I am talking about north america and USA more specifically.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics
this shows that there is a significant diffrence between the countries
Aah, though you meant about there being very few predators on the web.
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